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[高端讨论] 【Hot Topic】Hey, are you under a great pressure?

本主题由 Kevin_von 于 2008-8-25 09:31 分类
Kevin, I understand what you're worried about. Some of my friends share the same opinion with you about the success & age. I have to admitt that job opportunities indeed have sth to do with the age. Many firms would prefer younger employees but, you have your own merits. As YOYO said above, EXPERIENCE, WISDOM,INTELLECT are all your fortune that should be cherished. 9 [8 Q; u; X" q6 U* v0 A# J0 @
I do believe that you are your own GOD. Everyone are able to make their life better. Just be positive and do it.
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3 f" D$ C/ V% o& K6 R+ M8 |; f[ 本帖最后由 儿珏 于 2008-6-25 11:04 编辑 ]
痛苦和快乐,会随着岁月变得愈来愈轻盈,不像从前那么重要了。

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Thanks for the reply by  YOYO and 团子8 U2 y; b# r' |3 W
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In fact,  the pressure it come form my parents8 x7 M/ U5 q2 @7 i* J% t' I
In their opinion, the difficulty of works is not the reason because my counterparts in my parents' words are not the one who have no experience&life in college but the one who graduate in the same year.
2 F7 A& t9 X4 e9 kThis fact make the difference pretty obvious.
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In fact , they all know I am different from my counterparts because their difficulty is not concerned with the starting line but the normal difficulties caused by the campus life and social life.  I, on the contrary, had no advantage in the year I graduate ,Even the subject which I am major in were permanently canceled in the regular college course because of the marginalization and uselessness in modern time.4 j4 [' ^! E) Z
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So that is why I have to spend more time to achieve the same success as others. In my 4th year after graduation  ,I attend this foreign company  as a lowclass assistant but with plenty of experience in export . And right now I've gain the starting line with other people who are younger than me and surely I am excellent in this position 1 j1 x* N1 R: J  j! p+ d; c- o
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But, by the view of a long period,  my parents are not able to persuade themselves to admit the fact that I pay more to get less .They don't hope or want me to payback to them because all the parents are great people but they cannot bear that my situation in income. position ,love&marriage is the same as the people who are in age 23,24 while I am 28 now.
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( W* x2 Q1 @" N9 f0 v3 X2 v7 lThey even cannot enjoy their life because they pay too attention to me and call me frequently to push me but cannot offer any useful suggestion.
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: g$ w7 u# v* @  t! L0 _感谢YOYO和团子的回答
  [9 Z! N; {& D9 G  U* c; ^实际上我的压力是来自于我的父母。在他们眼里,工作上的困难始终不是愿意(指我现在的状态),他们所提到的那些同龄人根本不是那些未经历过大学的人(因为没有可比性,尤其是毕业时间),而是跟我一同大学毕业的那些人。
( D" L3 M3 z0 I- @这个事实使得我跟他们的差距显得非常明显(如果是那些未经历过大学的朋友,一般来说我们上大一他们都快中专毕业了,不管中专学历如何,早很多年出来工作,大环境方面差异很大,所以无法比,象那些中学都没上完的人也许跟着家里做做小生意,那结婚更早了)
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我父母是清楚的知道我跟我的同龄人的区别是来自于起跑线而不是通常所说的学校生活和社会生活的差别。相反,我在毕业的时候几乎无任何优势可言,甚至我学的专业很快就永久性的在本科阶段取消掉,进入历史舞台了(再也不会有了),因为它已经被边缘化,在现代社会中再无价值 。! n+ l: Q& Q. x1 B. X- [' |: x+ G/ F7 I
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所以这就是我为什么要花更多的时间来获得跟别人(花一般的时间)就能达到的成功。在我毕业后的第四年我终于到了这家外企,作为一个低层的助理,但却具有在原来公司的出口方面的丰富经验。我现在确实已经得到了跟别人一样的起跑线,可别人却都是比我年轻的。当然,在这样的职位上我无疑是很优秀的(基本上还没碰到棘手的问题,别人觉得棘手的,似乎我解决起来也不费劲)
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但,我的父母,从一个长期的观点来看,是无法说服他们自己去承认这样的差距:我付出更多来获得更少。他们不希望也不想我有什么回报给他们,因为父母总是最伟大的。但他们无法忍受我在收入,职位,感情问题上的状态跟23,24岁左右的新人差不多,而我已经是28了(周岁27)——(虽然他们知道里面发生了什么)
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他们甚至无法享受他们现在的生活,太多的关注我,给我频繁的打电话催促我却不能给出任何有用的建议 (那只会使我跟烦躁)

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As there are great pressures on export , especially the low class light industry goods, it seems that the economic environment is not so good for development and the situation I face is worse than before.  It has also make me fretted and feel hard to make decision of future life .9 I  U5 M9 L  t: V7 Y) m# s

2 W) n6 E% T1 q- o; Y  [: Z$ wIn the case of the 800 wasted cartons which I mentioned a few days ago,  my sense is correct because the changes of situation is almost the same as which I deduced: They've found that they had make more loss in the wrong procedure and production guide so they realized that there is no need to snitch.
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! k+ n2 k" |- Z8 GIt's very strange that actually I feel little pressure in my everyday work and I think it is easy to do the jobs perfectly but , in the same time , I feel absolutely helpless in my life.
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Anyway,  when I am  in  my office hour, I never think about this pressure and the only focus is the task I am facing6 a, n$ \& U- s. x4 \( s
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由于现在出口行业面对的压力,尤其是低级工业品的压力(我们大多数朋友都是做这些,小工厂么)。似乎这个经济环境对发展是不利的,我面对的情况也比以前更糟糕(大环境会影响到小环境)。
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% e0 B" B* S8 r2 D" r+ N在我之前提到的800个浪费的纸箱的事件,我的判断是正确的。因为事态的实际发展是跟我推断的一样的,他们发现他们在错误的计划和生产知道上的错误造成的损失更大,所以他们意识到是没有必要打小报告的(杀敌一千自损八百)
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这是非常奇怪的事情:事实上我几乎感觉不到日常工作有什么压力,因为我觉得很轻易的就能把工作做到完美。但同时,在生活中我又觉得完全的无助2 D- t) I. j3 Q$ N+ T
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但不管如何,在我的工作时间内,我是绝对不想这些的,我的精力只集中在当前的工作上
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[ 本帖最后由 Kevin_von 于 2008-6-25 19:21 编辑 ]

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YES, THAT'S TRUE. WE CAN IGNORE ANYONE ELSE, BUT OUR PARENTS. THEY HAVE TOO MUCH HOPE ON US.
4 t1 E/ `$ ]: z* \7 ?! T. N; {" rI CAN UNDERSTAND YOU AND YOUR PARENTS. MAYBE BECAUSE I AM A GIRL. MY PARENTS GIVE ME MORE FREEDOM. AT LEAST I CAN DO WHAT I WANT AT PRESENT. BUT I KNOW, SOME YEARS LATER, I HAVE TO FACE THE SAME PROBLEMS AND CONFUSION AS YOU HAVE. AND AT THAT TIME, MY PARENTS ARE OLD, IT WILL BE MY TERN TO SUPPORT THEM.
我爱你,但和你没关系...

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楼主的这段话简直和我的感受是一模一样的!( H6 D' @! m$ ~) s9 E' \, G
与君共勉!
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回复 54# 的帖子

Maybe the only thing we can do it to face the music and challenge the pressure

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Pressure is different from the difficulty .
$ {0 \  ]+ v# n3 ]5 _' fUnder pressure often means the unpredictable,urgent procedure and the bad effect or serious result if you cannot do it well
. z$ ^6 V, V: u5 w6 J3 m1 V3 eUsually the people who are in charged of sales have a bigger pressure than their counterpart in other fairs such as tech.  finance, paper work . Also the people with task on logistics and documentary are also under great pressure even if many people do not admit this fact.& R6 _! A' a* Z9 Q/ [
Difficulties often comes from the lack of knowledge, skill and experience so you don't know how to finish the job . But the pressure is not only form the lack of above respects ,but also from the unexpected situation and the frequent deadlines which make you feel urgent and helpless.
! _' V4 A8 f$ x: ?) h! C/ Z9 d, N8 JSometimes the target of sales or market plan or promotion schedule is not worked out in a reasonable guide .  You may be fired if you meet a boss who is not patient on your slow progress even if the plan made by him is really a mission impossible. 3 A1 b' `& K+ M* y* q+ w/ B
One of the feature of pressure is that you may feel helpless because it seems that there is no experiential way for you reference.  By contrast , the difficulties often can be well solved by the guild of your manger or a more skillful expert or by learning more form the books.  Sometimes you can do it by a very simple way :  to spend more time or ask for people to do it.6 J2 W: Z4 R& m9 O
So that is why I think the documentary clerk in export logistics is also under great pressure than a normal security who is responsible for the everyday paperwork. He or she ought to meet the deadlines everyday . Especially the data of packing or other shipping instruction are offered late but the booking form must be prepared in before some specified date.   In boss's opinion, you're not the one who can bring the benefit to company directly coz you have no orders from the customers. But ,unlike the normal paperwork , a slight error on  international trade documents often means a big loss while you have not got enough time to double check it.
+ Z7 ~" i  O! HAnyway, it's sure that the pressure of the sales is the No. 1 because you don't know what will happen? The trend of market,the policy of government , the price of material , the freight rate of logistics ,etc. all of these will make you upset
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# e6 K; u% h# ?. s  e压力跟困难是不同的。
  G0 e/ a" d, C/ C在压力下通常意味着不可预测,紧急的进程,如果你没有做好则会有不利的影响或者严重的后果# x2 B/ }3 }3 ]/ F  a7 ]
一般来说负责销售的人比那些做其他事务比如技术,财务,文书工作的同事压力要大一些。同样负责物流和单证的人也具有很大的压力——虽然这一点人们往往不承认。7 A! o" K+ n  A) C3 }
困难经常是来自于知识,能力,以及经验的缺乏,所以你不知道如何完成你的工作 [如果这个时候有人点拨一下的话。] ,而压力则不仅仅来自于以上几个方面,还来自于无法想象的情况发展和频繁的“最后期限”给你造成的紧迫和无助。
0 r( d! A  s8 u* r' K6 c有的时候,销售目标,营销计划,促销计划并不是在一个合理的指导下被制订的。如果你碰到一个不太耐心的老板,即使他指定的计划是一个“不可能完成的任务”,他也会因为你的进展缓慢而炒你鱿鱼。2 o( S# @8 W0 O3 u
压力的一个特征就是你会感到无助因为似乎没有一条经验可遵循,相反,一般的困难能被很好的解决——只要你补充了相应的知识,技能,或者由你的经理或者其他人指导(点拨一下)你就知道如何去做。有时你可以用很简单的方法,那就是多花一点时间,或者多用一些人
* _7 l# w" J2 J9 B* {所以这就是我为什么认为出口物流和单证的人同样有着相对于一般的文员要大的压力。他们每天都要面对所谓的最后期限,尤其是一些数据和信息提供得很晚但却要在某个特定日期前把单子做出来 [为什么会频繁加班]。从老板的观点来看,他们是不能直接带来收益的,因为没有接任何的订单。但是,不象平常的文书工作,国际贸易单证上的微小错误却常长意味着很大的损失,而你通常是没有很多的时间去复核这些单据。5 S! |; t, w9 q1 D- T4 m
不管如何,销售人员的压力是第一的,因为你无法预知很多事情。市场的趋势,政府的政策法规,材料的价格变动,运费的变动。所有这些都使你不安

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I find that It seems that there is no need to reply this topic in English &Chinese bilingual version.% \: X' Z7 M; [  b, ]- ]
我发现,似乎没有必要对这样的话题采用中英文双语的回复。

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pressure

i have just graduated from the university, and the first  time i entered the coporation, i felt so afraid. The colleages around me are all effective and hard-working that i always hesitate to ask them questions in case they ignore me or even blame on me. i feel so sad in the first week . every morning the moment i stepped into the office, i strongly feel the impulse to cry, as if i am the one that is excrescent. worse still, i never have enough time to sleep, everyday is so busy and there will be a lot of data for me to familiar with. till now, i still feel desperate and tired.
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  • Kevin_von 魅力 +1 先鼓励一下! 2008-7-7 10:34

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Every time, when I am alone in my hotel room, when I am alone on the street, I am always terrified, about my job, my love, as well as my future. When I lie in the bed, I even don't want to get up next morning. I want to sleep forever. The pressure,  the competition, and the loneliness gets on my nervous. I am really running out.
) {# T/ L" B; T/ w- I$ L, RSometimes, I even want to go abroad, to any country where no one knows me. I found an easy job, enjoyed my simple life. But that's only a dream. I can't ignore my love, my parents, my friends, my relatives.  I must go on with my life, and ignore the pressure, beat my adversary badly, make friends as many as possible on the internet. I must make me feel that I enjoy my life very much, and I can fight against any difficulties. ( E* W8 [5 |, m2 Z6 k
Tomorrow is another day, but today also needs our hardwork. Make sure we are qualified and just get on the way. We can and will succeed!
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  • Kevin_von 精英币 +2 鼓励大家练英语! 2008-7-21 15:06
  • Kevin_von 魅力 +1 鼓励大家练英语! 2008-7-21 15:06
To fight like a warrior.

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